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Memories of summer

Discussion in 'Critique & Feedback' started by Niko Tompuri, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. Hey,

    Here's something I've been working on lately. I guess it is still a work in progress, but anyway... Hope you like it. Also any comments, compositional or mixing related would be much appreciated. Thanks!

    -Niko

     
  2. Hey man, good stuff! The spicy dissonance 11 seconds in doesn't quite fit the otherwise simpler harmonic vocabulary you are using throughout the entire piece. If you have to use that, I would recommend saving it for much later in the piece in a richer harmonic context.
     
  3. Hi Niko,

    Very simple, and nice. Here is some gentle feedback as you're still in the works and I don't want to hinder your creativity.

    I have to agree with Mattia that the chord at 11 seconds you should save on the second time. Don't give away all your juicy chords in the beginning otherwise you'll have no room for development later on. Or, if that is your starting chord the next or more than likely the following time after the next I hope is an even juicer chord. I really like your harmony choices so please don't misread.

    1:33 is a very nice build. Great! However, this could be more of a mixing thing or orchestrational, but I'm not sure who takes the melody after 1:33. I get lost and am not sure where my focus needs to go.

    Very soft and simple orchestrations you've got going on which by no means is wrong, just be careful of how "blockish" your orchestration is sounding at the moment, specifically after the 1:33 mark. You have some rich harmony and it would be a shame to just have block chords on every downbeat change, but however start shifting those harmonies with beautiful voice leading and counterpoint. Now, don't misinterpret as you have some dense chords, and you're having a lot of fun with your brass harmony and strings playing off of each other. However, if you listen back to notice how your chords really just change on the downbeat of every measure which comes quite predictable at times.

    You had some nice 8th or 16th note repetitions building up to your 1:33 mark and I'm not sure where they went as I can't hear many winds perhaps because of the mix, but you could continue this idea or play with it more after the 1:33 mark.

    I'd personally mess more with cc1, 7, 11 to help get a bigger dynamic range. Also to help bring out those nice horn parts you've written. I like how soft in timbre they are playing but the surround elements are bit too loud and dominating.
     
    Alexander Schiborr likes this.
  4. Thanks guys for your kind advice!

    Listening to the piece again I think I should definetely change simplyfy the chord in the 11 second mark. At least save it for the second time after 1:33 mark. Maybe B flat instead of F#. Also the F# or G flat is already in the final phrase of the A-section and also in the B-section. Thanks for pointing that out 'cause at first it seemed cool, almost natural to me. But now it definetely seems unnecessary.

    Yes, I'm not sure which is it, maybe both orchestrational and mixing related issue. Maybe I should continue the 16th note repetitions on the woods in the build up and also through the 1:33 mark. Or use them to make some counterpoint like you adviced me to. After 1:33 1st Horn takes the melody. Maybe it should start playing one measure before the 1:33 mark? That should help, right?

    Oh, I haven't really thought about that. Maybe I should do something with the low and middle registers to make it more flowing texturally. Do you think that would help?

    Yes, I guess I need to balance it more properly.

    Hopefully I can find the time to make some changes to piece and then post a revised version of the piece at some point. I have also been think whether or not the piano should be included. I mean would it be better to also start with say soft accompanying strings or so?

    Anyway, until then take care!

    -Niko
     
    Dillon DeRosa likes this.
  5. If the horn takes the melody some rethinking on balancing, focused mixing, as well if you wanted to a pickup note or two to the horns will help our ear refocus to what is taking over the melody. Also, doubling Horns with celli or bassoons will help, or doubling anything that goes well with horns if your orchestration is thick and the horns are getting quite buried. I'm not sure if you write by notation but always feel free to post the notation, many of us hear read scores very well and can narrow in on your exact problem areas if there are any.

    Of course! You always want to have forward motion in your music. Otherwise, you'll listener will start becoming bored, distracted, and daydreaming away which isn't what you want. You want to always keep their attention. Don't do too much however at first, just like saving the "juicy" chord for the second or third time, this "bigger orchestration" you want to be bigger but don't throw all your tricks down at once. Especially, if you plan on extending this piece again, perhaps a development, and in the recapitulation BAM! Your biggest most profound and sexiest statement of your main melody. Always building the forward momentum, climbing to that wonderful climax. You're on the right path, just keep going. :D

    Piano will be a nice touch if that's what you want. Joe Hisaishi who I'm a huge fan of this has wonderful orchestration with mixing piano with orchestra, or where the piano acts as the soloist or vocalist in a sense and the orchestra ever so compliments it. Also, your composition and your piece so choose how you want to start your piece. Perhaps you should ask what your story is and what you're trying to convey to the listener? Are we sitting down on a bench in a forest or are we about to charge into a battle of a thousand orcs? Soft strings can be nice, or winds, or even a soft brass chorale, or even solo piano. It could be anything but it all depends on you. I know that's not a straight answer but just think about what your story is and what we should be imagining when listening.

    I'm glad you found some of the comments useful. Looking forward to your revisions or future pieces. Happy writing.

    Cheers,
    Dillon
     
  6. Thanks Mattia vand Dillon for your great and in depth advice!

    I tend to do both. The more symphonic pieces (also this one) I often notate first and after that start working with the samples. In the course of the midirecording I might add something to the texture if needed. I can post the notated version here also, although it doesn't have everything written down. It should contain the most important parts in it though.

    I guess this piece, like so many others :D, is still a work in progress. Being so I thought I'd post the recently revised version of it here. As you guys kindly suggested I tried to simplify the melody. I also tried to figure out some ways to make it easier for the listener to follow the most important lines, espesially in the 1:33 mark and after that. I haven't reworked the structure yet, even though I personally think it could be better. I also made small changes mixing wise. I redused the use of reverb quite a bit.

    The previously posted first draft should still be available for listening here. Please tell me what you think. Have I made some progress or not. o_O

    I have one very tough critic in my near circle of friends, who almost always says the same thing concerning my pieces. It's almost annoying, but could be painfully true. :) It's basically that my sections tend to differ too much from each other. I'm not sure yet what I could do with the structure of this piece to make it feel more cohesive. Any advice? Maybe I should post the notated version first?



    -Niko
     
  7. At 0:46 for example feels like you're making a "cut" where I would expect a "transition". Ask yourself how many aspects there are that you have control over (melody, harmony, rythm, orchestration etc.) and check how many of them you are changing at the same time. Could you keep more of them familiar instead of changing them all at once? Maybe introduce one of the new orchestrational colors sooner and keep another one for longer? Give us a clearer anchor in the rythm?
    I don't know what the best way to solve it here is, but I agree with the feedback that it feels disconnected, as if you're stopping one thing and starting another, instead of a fluid development from one into another.
     

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