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Forbidden Warrior Main Titles - Transcription/Mock-up

Discussion in 'Tips, Tricks & Talk' started by Phillip J. Faddoul, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. #1 Phillip J. Faddoul, Sep 21, 2017
    Hey everyone. So I FINALLY got around to transcribing and mocking up the main titles cue from Mike's score to Forbidden Warrior - Let me know what you guys think! And definitely check out the score if you haven't already!

     
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  2. #2 Mike Verta, Sep 21, 2017
    That's pretty damn close, for sure. I gotta pull that out for you. Perhaps today is the day I brave the Well of Souls and dig out those old scores among the asps.
     
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  3. #3 Phillip J. Faddoul, Sep 22, 2017
    Thanks Mike. That'd be awesome!
     
  4. #4 Gregory D. Moore, Sep 23, 2017
    Mike, it would be great to have a class analyzing the orchestration on this piece. There is tremendous potential value here:

    1) there is a real orchestral recording that is a superb orchestral reference
    2) its mixed very well
    3) you have the score
    4) are the composer and can discuss and share your postmortem thoughts.

    This would be an extremely valuable and unusual experience. These seems like enough good reasons it would really be worth digging the score out from boxes in storage (just do it - dig it up).

    I'm sure this would be a popular class and with the resource materials (score and recording), over time, it could be a mainstream evergreen class that could gain popularity over time.

    And most of all, because I want to learn from this!

    @Phillip - Great mockup job. Think of what you could learn comparing with the real score.
     
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  5. #5 Mike Verta, Sep 23, 2017
    I think the only way I do a class on this cue would be if it ended with me changing all the things that I would do differently today.
     
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  6. #6 Gregory D. Moore, Sep 23, 2017
    That would seem like a great learning/teaching opportunity.
     
  7. #7 Claude Ruelle, Sep 28, 2017
    @Phillip J. Faddoul you did such a good job transcribing this piece that you inspired me to do it myself. Here's where I'm at so far:



    I might do a proper mockup once I'm done with it. @Mike Verta it would be awesome if you could dig up the score for us :)
     
  8. #8 Phillip J. Faddoul, Sep 28, 2017
    Awesome. Sounds great so far. Can't wait to hear the rest.
     
  9. #9 Mike Verta, Sep 28, 2017
    Guys, I pulled the score out of storage today. Definitely think we should do a class on this, because frankly I think the orchestration's a mess. Like, in obvious ways. Amazing what we can learn in just... 13 years.
     
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  10. #10 Claude Ruelle, Sep 28, 2017
    I'm curious to know what are some of the things you would change, because to me it sounds great. If you do a class on this one, I'll definitely buy it!
     
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  11. #11 Gregory D. Moore, Sep 29, 2017
    Rimsky-Korsakov the orchestration master orchestrated Mussorgsky's Khovanchina (Morning Dawn on the River Moscow) and its become a very popular orchestral piece. However, its not the Rimsky-Korsakov version that is most often played. It turns out Shostakovich re-orchestrated Rimsky's version in 1959 and this is the version that is most often played because it just sound so much better! My point Mike, is that you're in good company. Honestly, I think there are so many great lessons from this score it will be interesting to see where you would actually improve it. Sounds like an exciting class! Can't wait.
     
  12. #12 Mike Verta, Sep 29, 2017
    Yes, well this is why I thought it would be useful - because the truth is it sounds fine; technically, it is "fine." There's nothing wrong with it. But 13 years of continuous study later, it's a "mess," as seen from my current skillset. I could easily and vastly improve virtually every aspect of it from stem to stern, and that's sort of how it should be - it's what's so beautiful about orchestral composing. In another 13 years, I fully expect to review whatever I'd do today with another eye. And this isn't just a case of having differing, changing tastes - the skill of efficient orchestration and its refinement can be quantified. I have said for many many years now, that John Williams' best compositions are behind him, but his best orchestrations are happening now. HIS orchestrations, not Herb Spencer's, who was a god among men. Nobody filled Herb's shoes with the same ability, and John's personal orchestration skillset became apparent and recognizable after Herb died. In the last few years, Williams has honed an orchestrational sense so efficient in color and tone it's remarkable. It's what I listen to, in his new works.
     
  13. #13 Phillip J. Faddoul, Sep 29, 2017
    I agree. Aside from seeing the score, I'd love to know what you'd do differently today, and the reasons why. Definitely an exciting class.
     
  14. #14 Claude Ruelle, Sep 29, 2017
    Ok guys, here's the full transcription. I can't wait to have a look at the score!



    I'm thinking about doing a proper mockup of this, but I have to say I'm quite impressed with the Noteperformer playback on this one.
     
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  15. #15 Gregory D. Moore, Sep 30, 2017
    Wow, that's an impressive transcription! And NotePerformer sounds really good here, surprisingly many of the timbres are quite close. There are several spots where it sounds to me like he's using flute and piccolo which I couldn't hear in your transcription but maybe its hidden underneath? I just listened once so far and that's all I noticed. Great work.
     
  16. #16 Doug Gibson, Sep 30, 2017
    Bravo to both of you ! (Phillip and Claude)

    I only ever use Noteperformer for any mock-ups anymore. I just hate mock-up and just reached a point where I simply would rather work on another job than tweak samples, and also if the client is not willing to work with a real orchestra I don't want it to have my name on it.

    Note performer is pretty good. You can easily imagine the rest. From about 1:04 to 1:10 in Claudes version I smiled as it sounds a little like dramatic "Nightly News" music. I was expecting "Good evening ..... in the world today"
     
  17. #17 Phillip J. Faddoul, Sep 30, 2017
    Nicely done!
     
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