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A3 Manuscript Print Ready

Discussion in 'Notation' started by Matthias Calis, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. #1 Matthias Calis, Mar 23, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2018
    Hey all, I made this A3-sized printable empty scorepad. It's based of some, ahem, photoscans of JW sketches. I've attached an image so you can see what the sheet looks like before downloading.

    This scorepad was made with Musescore. For ultimate flexibility I've provided the Musescore project file so you can tweak this template however you like. For those of you that don't know, Musescore is a great, free notation editor with plenty of capability. I recommend checking it out!

    For missing instruments such as piccolo, bass clarinet, contrabassoon, bass trombone, etc, the idea is that you can strike-through the printed text and (for example) assign the top flute staff to piccolo and use the bottom one for concert flutes. Similarly, the cor anglais could be put on the lower oboe staff. The bass clarinet can be put on the lower clarinet staff, and the contrabassoon can be put on the lower bassoon staff. It's pretty intuitive really :)

    EDIT/UPDATE: I've updated the musescore project, pdf, and image preview to use a slightly improved version. All measures are now equally spaced and a bit more margins were sacrificed to give each staff a smidge more vertical space.

    Image preview:

    PDF: https://mcalis.stackstorage.com/s/J7LevPfFycASA3p
    Musescore project: https://mcalis.stackstorage.com/s/Sf26mHl2z5o8Ddq

    EDIT: I've ordered a bunch of these to be printed on A3s. As of yet this is untested in terms of the size and spacing of the lines (unsure if the lines will be far apart enough, though I think it'll be acceptable).
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  2. Thanks Matthias, very useful. I actually made a score pad design in Musescore a couple of weeks ago and had a few pads printed by http://leafgraphpaper.com/
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  3. Did they print it to A3 or A4? I don't think a full orchestral band is possible on A4, not even if you reduce all the woods and brass to single staves. How have the results been for you? Also did you print to thick (100+grs or thin paper?). Sorry for all the questions, I am just curious how others are solving this :)
  4. 8 staves in two groups of 4, with 4 bars per group, A4 landscape, 80gsm paper with a 1000 micron board back, 120 pages (60 sheets) per pad. I went with A4 because it's more convenient for me at my desk. I use this layout for short score sketch writing, I had the staves grouped as two sets of 4 so I can either write a 4 stave short score or an 8 stave depending on the needs of the piece.
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  5. Not bad, but the staves will be a tad too small. If you dumped out one timpani staff, one percussion staff (leave two full perc staves) and increase the staff size accordingly, it should be good. Also, if you used abbreviations instead of full instrument names, you could get wider measures - more space to write the important stuff. Right now, 10% of your paper goes to instrument names, and you already know the names.
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  6. Thanks for the details @David Healey. A4 is much more manageable for sure but I'm just testing new waters by going for a full score. It's an experiment for me and I may well end up preferring A4! Only one way to find out...

    @Aaron Venture Yup, good tips but I'm going to be stuck with this batch for now. The reason the timp has two staves is because the JW sketch pad did, that's the entire reason. You're definitely right about the instrument names though, I should've abbreviated those. Again I just copied JW's sketchpad ;)

    I'll offer an improved version soon. Alternatively those who wish to use this with tweaks can download the current MuseScore project and use this as a starting point.
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  7. I believe JW uses an 8-line sketch with center line percussion. This looks more like the orchestrated version. Cool pad though.
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  8. My reason for using 4-8 staves for sketching is so I can avoid lots of rubbing out :) If I have a pad with all of the instrument names and I write out a part, let's say for violins, but then I decide it would work better on flutes, I'd have to rub out all of the violin line and rewrite it on the flute stave. With a 4 stave short score it doesn't really matter which stave I write the line on, I just write the instrument name or abbreviation next to it, and if I decide to go with a different instrument I just have to rub out the instrument name and rewrite it. I can also do things like doubling by writing something like +Flute, or I could double at the octave +Flute 8va, etc. I find this much faster than writing out each stave. Then when I do the final work in the computer I can add more detail for each part where needed.

    I was introduced to this approach by ScoreClub.net
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  9. So I received the prints and yes, it's a tad small, but it's workable and I only got 50 pieces anyway so to me it was worth it. That said, I've since updated the template to maximize the vertical and horizontal space used. I got rid of one trumpet staff, two percussion staves and merged the piano/celeste and harp onto just two staves instead of four. You can see the new version here:


    And get it here: https://mcalis.stackstorage.com/s/F3hD8lCNEr7wF7i
  10. That looks much better.

    You'll get through 50 in no time :D How much did you pay per piece? Over here it's ~3 cents for 1 sheet (2 pages) for plain paper A3.
  11. Nice one Matthias!

    Couple of thoughts/remarks:
    I really think you're gonna hate not having a separate staff for piano/celesta/synth.
    I'd sacrifice something else, in this order:
    - Tuba + Bass Trombone (/3) on 1 staff. Condense TB1/2 to 1 staff.
    - Combine the bassoon staves (if you need contrabassoon write it above the tuba or contrabass staff as a '+ cbassoon'.
    - Combine Picc/flutes (just write +picc/ +8va or something when used for doubling).
    - Possibly all the above to increase staff space the most, though it won't look quite as good/sexy.

    You forgot to extend the winds bracket to the bassoons, they're kinda 'naked' now (just a little visual thing, easy fix).

    Also, it's unusual for the trumpets to be above the horns. You likely know this, so I guess you have your reasons.
    (And honestly, if you do the other families in order of hi>low it makes more sense to do the same for brass, but I guess it's done HN/TP/TB/TU because of the seating).

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