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Orchestration Project with Redbanned members (Update 1.st post)

Discussion in 'Tips, Tricks & Talk' started by Alexander Schiborr, Aug 29, 2017.

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  2. Thanks for sharing Claude. You asked about advice. First I like the idea putting the intro melody on flutes, interesting and likeable take on this one. Then the violins join before you enter the main theme. Well you have a color change there a couple of times. First the focus is on the flute, then the violins enter the game and the focuse walks over to the violins and then the main theme starts and main focus changes again over to the trumpets. So you have in such a short amount of time a 3 times color change. Maybe that is the point which makes it a bit that you don´t feel it is so smooth. Another point is that the main themes melody is much more rhythmic in nature and is a contrast to the intro which is much more lyrical. So maybe you can smoothen that out if you prepare the more fanfarish main theme with less color focus change and prepare the maintheme with a slight crescendo on timpani supported by french horns.
     
  3. Thank you! I had some free time this morning and this is what I did: https://www.dropbox.com/s/57o2vg72u4enxys/Untold Stories F.wav?dl=0

    I don't know if I'll get enough time to finish the whole piece, so that's why I decided to post this. Any feedback would be very appreciated :)
     
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  4. Hi Claude, give 1-2 days to reply...I need this weekend to regaine some energys..
     
  5. Hi Claude,
    Finally listening now. So first thing I noticed, but I think that was in your earlier version too that you altered a little the accompainent in the chords, but I actually like that with that sus2, maj thing in the Bones, also your sus 2 on the horns comes closer or feels a bit better for my ears in my version. It is more musical as I think related to lower dynamic markings also?

    The only thing in the beginning is where I am not sure if the idea of passing the melody from flutes to strings and then a gain a color change with trumpets is of an advantage. I think of couse that is legit, it is more a stylistical thing for me.

    The transition at 42 seconds sounds a bit blurred because some instruments sustained throughout the melody start of the b Section. Maybe you can fix that? Try with more fadeout in dynamics probably a bit earlier.

    The whole A Section sounds good, you split more the voices in general than I do at times. I hear that and I like the splitting a lot. I remember you did that in fanfare also. I am not sure though if you need to double the trumpets an octave above with violins that often. Sure that is completely fine. I did not for the a section to keep the violins taking over the melody in the b Section "fresh" in color.

    What exactly did you use in the lower chords for in the b Section? CEllos, right? They feel sometimes a bit heavy..maybe use violas..? The transition at 50 seconds appears very sudden to me because of the loud dynamics of the trumpet..I would maybe try a bit less in natural dynamic.
    But then..when return to the A Section..what are all these runs on the violins? I think that this is too early for some kind of finale "all over the place" writing. Also the runs feels very clouding the melody...not because they are in a wrong range..sure they are out of the melodies range..but they are a way too loud..and I feel there you should make a bit less with that runs..or honestly: LAter...in the finale of the maintheme. It is too early for that, just my opinion.
     
  6. Hey Guys, I created much more moods in the Utold stories track. In the end I tried in the middle section to create a kind of dark counter theme and somehow find my way back through a sweet lyrical theme to get finally back in the maintheme. What do you think of that?

    I call that "plus moods", most of the stuff is close miced, so no hide for me behind shit orchestration.lol

     
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  7. Thank you for this Alex! I'll definitely work on the different things you've pointed out. I very often struggle with "transitions" when orchestrating, and I often find myself having to rely on cymbal swells, harp glisses etc. to make them feel smoother. I hate that about my writing and need to work on it! Maybe you have some general advice on that.

    Also, I totally agree with the fact that I didn't earn the busy section at the end. It's just that I wanted to give a go at that type of orchestration.

     
  8. I love when things are getting serious @ 2'54''. :D
     
  9. Let's start with 2 questions :

    Is this voicing ok ? Is it an improvment ?
    cap1.png

    I'm not sure how to notate the rythm here :
    cap2.png
     
  10. There's a couple of ways to notate this rhythm.
    I personally try not to use different tuplets (in your example there's sextuplets and triplets) unless they're necessary, because it is easier for the performer to read at first glance. Check out the examples below:
    sylvain rhythms.png
     
  11. Merci @Bradley Boone !

    Maybe I should write the whole piece in 12/8.
     
  12. I would if a significant part of it is in compound (triplet) meter. 2 reasons: quicker to notate (less keystrokes) and easier to read (few brackets, better beaming).

    If the piece is alternating back and forth between simple (duple, like 4/4) and compound (triple, like 12/8 or 9/8), then I would probably do it in 4/4 throughout and only change the time signature for passages that have a compound feel that are 8 bars or longer. If you are alternating between simple & compound time, then please be sure to indicate: q = q. or e = e or l’istesso tempo
    This confirms the tempo you want through the time signature changes.
     

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